The guys start
by answering a question from listener Tom (whom Ben met at the Consumer
Federation of America National
Food Policy conference) and his
request for guidance on research areas in food safety. Don’s advice was that
Tom should follow his passion and from there pick a university or faculty
member. This then turned into a broader discussion about education, with a
focus on distance and online learning.
talked about his attendance at ISGP’s Food Safety, Security, and Defense: Focus on
Technologies and Innovations conference in Verona, Italy, which operates under the Chatham House Rules (not to be confused with the Cider House Rules). Don really enjoyed the discussions between the
scientific experts and policy makers and he enjoyed meeting Lynn Frewer. Don also talked about his recent visit to GOJO with his student (and some times listener Dane
Jensen) to discuss Dane’s PhD research.
In the Bug Trivia segment, Ben talked about Clostridium
botulinum, the ‘sausage
poisoning’ bug, and Ben’s recent Barfblog post on the topic. The guys thought that tin-foiled
potatoes caused unnecessarily large concern because of one outbreak, as most
botulism cases are linked to ineffective home canning practices. While Ben had
trouble pronouncing nitrosamines, he challenged Andreas to find papers by
Gibson and Roberts on Clostridium and
cured meats. Andreas did not disappoint, finding Factors controlling the growth of Clostridium botulinum types A and B in pasteurized, cured meats
parts I, II, III, IV, V, and VI.
then talked about the Egg Rollie, as Aaron "you-SUE-ghee" wanted to
know whether the cooked ‘egg rollie’ could be contaminated by raw egg as it
rises. Ben wasn’t too concerned and Don pointed out that while there was a
risk, the risks of illness from eating raw eggs were rather low.
conversation then turned to the Listeria
and cantaloupes, as FDA was planning to undertake a survey of Listeria monocytogenes in US cantaloupe packing houses. Ben has been organizing industry workshops with
Chris Gunter (guest in FST episode 3) and some others. Ben explained what he would
do if he was a producer and FDA were about to visit his packing house for
sampling. Don agreed with Ben’s strategy and pointed out that baseline
information on pathogen prevalence on produce was needed. However, the guys couldn’t
understand why the samples were not also going to be tested for Salmonella, which had been involved in
more cantaloupe related outbreaks than Listeria.
In addition, Don wasn’t convinced that this survey was the best use of public
funds. This reminded Don of a USA Today article on sequestration which included a Doug Powell
quote, which Don also posted on his Tumblr.
a shout out to Ashley Chaifetz, a PhD student studying public policy, who wrote
a Barfblog post on Salmonella in dog food (and this follow up post) and how she now longer trusted the dog food
manufacturer. Finally the guys sent a big thank you to the folks at SHS
updated their FST logo for iTunes.
after dark the guys talked about a couple of iTunes comments, their usual
scheduling challenges, a potential guest, "Rappaz R.N. Dainja” and Science Online.