Food Safety Talk 324: Richard Fingers Uncured

Added on June 2, 2025 by Ben Chapman.

Ben and Don do a normal sort of show, for them. They start the show talking through Ben's sports ball obsessions including the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Durham Bulls. The guys play one of Ben's favorite games: have Don guess the list. This episode's game is, "The Most Dangerous Foods In Your Refrigerator" with some "data." After that discussion the guys get into the excitement that is the world of federal food safety regulation and the black hole that is uncured meats (or at least meats cured with celery salt). They end the show talking about food safety trade wars, tariffs and the use of OmniFocus.

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Food Safety Talk 323: If It's Wet, And It Isn't Yours, Don't Touch It (Live From CFP 2025)

Added on May 14, 2025 by Ben Chapman.

In this very special episode, Ben and Don take the stage to moderate a powerhouse panel on the evolution of retail food safety, featuring Jill Hollingsworth (Ecolab), Cory Hedman (Meijer), Laurie Farmer (FDA), and Carrie Pohjola (Wisconsin DATCP). The discussion opens with how the role of inspectors has changed, particularly around cultural competency, language barriers, and the shift toward risk-based inspections. Panelists share how both regulators and industry are using technology to improve inspections and modernize approaches without losing what still works in analog. They tackle big questions about industry-regulator partnerships and touch on a unified federal food safety agency. From there, the conversation turns personal: panelists reflect on crisis moments in their careers what they learned, and what they'd do differently now. In a rapid fire round of questions they also reveal the outbreak that shaped their careers, their first and last concerts, their favorite part of the Food Code and aspirational food safety tattoos.

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Food Safety Talk 322: I'm Also Not A Food Scientist

Added on May 2, 2025 by Ben Chapman.

In this episode, Don and Ben are joined by a mystery guest, Dr. Xenia Morin, Don's great colleague at Rutgers who works at the intersection of science, social science and society, specifically around food systems. Their discussion focused food disparity/hunger and waste. Xenia, Don and Ben dive into food donations, food sharing, waste and food safety. They talk through the Emerson Act (which is frequently referred to the Good Samaritan Act). They explore community fridges and food sharing apps. Their discussion goes to the intersection of legal issues and microbial safety when redistributing surplus food.

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Food Safety Talk 321: My Favorite Marsden

Added on April 8, 2025 by Ben Chapman.

The guys start the episode talking about their respective treadmills and then get into some stuff they are watching. They do some follow-up about the great episode on botulism with Jane Talkington. The conversation shifts to talk about the federal government's transition and the impacts on the food safety system. Don and Ben talk about the historical challenges of outbreak investigations with lots of agencies involved as well as the public health investigation course Ben co-created with partners at NC State, FDA and NASDA. They end the show playing a food safety myth game based on some online articles.

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Food Safety Talk 320: Fair Weather Runner

Added on March 14, 2025 by Ben Chapman.

In this episode, Ben and Don start with some warm up chatting about Decoding the Gurus, George Strombolopolis (which Don thinks is a made up name, but it is not) and James Acaster's obsession with a nemesis. The conversation then shifts to food safety regulation (after a quick detour through international hockey and Ben describing his fanboy moment with risk communication pioneer Vincent Covello) as the guys chat about the latest impacts of federal government cuts to FDA - personal, programatic and how it may impact the safety of the food supply. Before wrapping up, Ben and Don discuss recent food recalls (and an upcoming talk Don is giving) and their hot takes on why we might be hearing more about foodborne illnesses and recalls, despite the fact that tracking shows that events aren't necessarily higher.

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Food Safety Talk 319: I'm Feeling Botchy Today

Added on February 26, 2025 by Ben Chapman.

Ben and Don are joined by a very special mystery (to Ben) guest, Jane Talkington, author of Recognizing Botulism: New Insights from Old Narratives. After an always embarrassing game of 20 questions, they dive right into Jane's book, how she came to be interested in historical bot cases as well as the stories around research into antitoxin and the food safety world's understanding of the pathogen. Jane shares her personal connection to a bot victim as well as many accounts of the long term impacts of the toxin on people. Don figured Ben would be way into these tales and anecdotes and he was right.

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Food Safety Talk 318: Head Grime And The Lice

Added on December 22, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

After a quick discussion of the ongoing saga (that has now come to a conclusion) of Ben's bricked AirPods and baths, Ben and Don jump into food safety stuff. They start with the question of the moment, "Why are we hearing so much about outbreaks and recalls right now?". The guys dive into tracking foodborne outbreak investigations, walk through CDC's BEAM Dashboard and talk through food recall data and a recent Washington Post article, exploring whether this trend reflects improved food safety or simply shifts in reporting. The conversation then turns to the fallout (regulatory and communication challenges) related to a couple of enoki mushroom Listeria outbreaks. Don talks about California's date label law which might provide some impacts on food waste, but the guys talk about the challenges. The show ends on new EU research that examines the microbiological safety of plant-based meat alternatives and a flow chart of diarrhea.

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Food Safety Talk 317: Golf Cart Grocery Store

Added on November 25, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

In this episode Don and Ben jump right in and do a deep dive on the media coverage of food safety-related outbreaks and recalls. The guys talk about participating in some recent national news interviews and providing background on whether there are more outbreaks right now (there aren't) and if not, why is everyone talking about food safety (the guys have some guesses). The conversation goes to being a public figure as an academic and how to build those skills. Don and Ben also talk about food science/food safety students exploring the career of regulation. The show ends on a discussion of a raw milk linked recall due to contamination with Avian Influenza virus.

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Food Safety Talk 316: Vibing And Thriving

Added on November 25, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben start the show with some guest invite requests that they have received recently, which they poke fun at (especially when the request is for the show they don't do with guests). The guys do some followup from Risky or Not really focusing on a recent E. coli outbreak linked McDonald's Quarter Pounders. Fresh sliced/slivered onion contamination gets a deep dive with the discussion going to storage and growth of pathogens. They also explore some unique food safety news stories, including a mass Staph outbreak at a seafood distributor (not related to seafood produced there), Ontario's mysterious butter bandits, and a pizzeria that accidentally sold THC-laced pizza.

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Food Safety Talk 315: We're On Nicki Time Today

Added on November 20, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

The guys start the episode talking about Canadian words and terms that aren't used in the US and get into service opportunities in food science and food safety. and then jump right into a deep dive of apple cider safety talk. The guys talk recent concerts that Ben has attended (it was a big week) and then turn their conversation to hurricanes Milton and Helene and the food safety and community impacts in North Carolina and elsewhere. They end the show talking about a Gallup poll related to US public's confidence in food safety and the regulatory system.

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Food Safety Talk 314: They Don't Let Just Anybody In

Added on November 4, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

Ben and Don kick things off with a quick discussion about Ben's trip to USDA for a National Advisory Committee on Microbiological Criteria for Foods (NACMCF) meeting the latest updates from the. They riff on how these guidelines set the gold standard for food safety across federal agencies as well as how the food industry looks at emerging food safety issues. From there, they share a virtual tour of the USDA’s iconic South and Jamie L. Whitten buildings—a quick stroll down memory lane, including a few constructive critiques on bureaucratic décor. Switching gears, they dive into the recent Emmy win for Poisoned, the documentary on foodborne illness where FST friend Bill Marler is a main character (and Ben make's a cameo). The discussion shifts to disaster preparation and recovery, specifically related to Hurricane Helene in Western North Carolina, touching on how floods and power outages affect food safety. Rounding out the episode is an exploration of the recent Salmonella outbreak linked to eggs, flour and pathogenic E. coli and Listeria in Boar's Head liverwurst.

Food Safety Talk 313: We've All Read Scallan

Added on September 13, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben begin the show talking about walking and tracking fitness in the iPhone universe. They move on to some Apple TV+ shows and other media and Ben talks about his trip to the National Academy of Sciences. For most of the episode, the guys do a deep dive on the Listeria monocytogenes outbreak linked to Boar's Head deli meats (specifically liverwurst). They talk inspection non-compliances (a year's worth of them) and common trends seen in a document that was acquired through a Freedom Of Information Act request. The guys end the show on a game that Don loved, "what 6 kitchen items should you replace immediately" (spoiler alert Don did well).

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Food Safety Talk 312: 37 Things Are Not Going To Happen On Thursday

Added on September 10, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

In this bonus episode, Don and Ben are joined by productivity and task management expert Kourosh Dini, who's well known for his deep dives into mindfulness and systems thinking. The guys riff on the pros and cons of apps like OmniFocus, TaskPaper, and Slack. There's pretty much no food safety in this episode, which is ironic based on the name of the show. They spend some time talking about how life pulls us in so many directions which competes with making progress on big and small projects. Kourosh shares his take on the anchor technique for grounding decision-making. Don and Ben get into the weeds on their own productivity hacks, including a few rabbit holes about getting things done in the chaotic world of food safety and academia. The guys discuss practical approaches to managing tasks effectively, avoiding burnout, and how reflecting and planning for productivity plays a role in getting better at actual productivity.

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Food Safety Talk 311: Nootropics Same As The Old Tropics

Added on August 29, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

The show starts with Ben's IT password troubles and then get into follow-up from Ben's trip to Canada, including the challenges of only having untreated lake water and family dynamics. Don gave some updates from IAFP including the always exciting constitution and bylaw changes from the business meeting. The guys go on to talk about high pathogenic Avian Influenza, retail sliced deli meats. Another topic they discuss is recreational drugs in foods and the regulatory issues that pop up. The show ends on digging into Listeria in produce and a raw milk-linked outbreak in California.

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Food Safety Talk 310: Underground Bear Meat Economy

Added on August 12, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben are joined by repeat special guest Larry Goodridge from the University of Guelph (this marks Larry's third time on the show from two different continents). Larry joins the show from Rome where he was spending time working with FAO on international food safety things. After a quick game of guess the guest, the three talk about IAFP, Larry's Ivan Parkin Lecture and the large topic of misinformation/disinformation in online and social media discussions. The topics they cover include leftover soup issues, supersharers, botulism from home canned foods and how almond milk might get contaminated with Listeria. Oh they also talk about how bear meat from Saskatchewan led to some parasite illnesses in the U.S.

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Food Safety Talk 309: Welcome to Feet Safety Talk

Added on July 31, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

In this episode, Don and Ben start by promoting their merch and then get into soccer, concert news and footwear fashion. The guys talk about websites posing as local news sites and do a deep dive on a recent FDA warning letter to Dollar Tree around recall efficacy (specifically related to lead in cinnamon containing apple sauce products. They talk about raw milk (and the excitement around Avian Influenza) as well as influencers promoting the food for virus protection reasons. The guys talk about a botulism outbreak linked to an aioli-type product (and how it's not always the eggs and/or mayonnaise).

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Food Safety Talk 308: It's Not Cucumber Net

Added on June 27, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben are joined by two special guests, Michelle Danyluk and an anonymous guest and frequent contributor, Deep State. Ben finally wins a "guess the special guest" game. The group spends most of their time on two big topics: deconstructing the Salmonella/cucumber outbreak/outbreaks and the complicated landscape of local and state jurisdictional regulations and enforcement.

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Food Safety Talk 307: Live From AFDO 2024 (bonus episode)

Added on June 25, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

In this bonus episode, Don and Ben record live at the Association of Food and Drug Officials 128th(!) Annual Educational Conference. The guys talk about the podcast on the podcast, Rush vs. Neil Young and food safety tattoos. They play a game of foods that an ER doctor wouldn't bring to the beach, do some ABCCDCFA+ and talk about TikTok videos posted by restaurant employees. They get into cucumber food safety, milkshake machines, microdosing chocolate bars and warm water bottles.

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Food Safety Talk 306: There's A Washcloth In This Bag Of Chips!

Added on June 11, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

The show starts with the guys talking about other podcaster friends and their excitement around Canadian bands (including Rush). The guys talk about emojis posted as restaurant inspection grades and how cool that is. The discussion goes to Ben's study abroad trip to Greece and all of the cool food safety things he saw there (including the many cats of one taverna). They talk about avian influenza RNA in milk and meat and media stories related to the multiple outbreaks on poultry and dairy farms. They then do a bit of follow up on Deep New England finding something surprising in her chips as well as additional information on illnesses related to the municipal irrigation water mix-up in Lehi, Utah.

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Food Safety Talk 305: Walking Cud Factories

Added on June 5, 2024 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben are joined by surprise guest Paul Breslin from Rutgers. Paul is a geneticist who works in the area of taste and when he heard that Don had a podcast he had to be on it. After Don plays his favorite, but Ben's least favorite game of "guess the guest," where Ben almost got there, they start in on food, food chemistry, genetics and evolution. The guys talk about the ubiquity of fermentation in human foods, cooking, why foods taste the way they do, the evolution of taste receptors. They also get into questions like what does eating pure DNA or RNA taste like. They talk about hot foods/spices, electronic noses for pathogens and spoilage and some other stuff.

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