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- Food Safety Talk
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- The Vomiting Machine: How Researchers Are Using Fake Barf to Help Protect Public Health
- Prevalence of Human Noroviruses in Commercial Food Establishment Bathrooms
- Multistate Outbreak of Salmonella Mbandaka Infections Linked to Kellogg’s Honey Smacks Cereal (Final Update) | Multistate Outbreak of Salmonella Mbandaka Infections Linked to Honey Smacks Cereal
- Recalls, Market Withdrawals, & Safety Alerts > Kellogg Company Voluntarily Recalls Honey Smacks Cereal Due to Possible Health Risk
- Salmonella Saintpaul Infections Linked to Raw Produce
- Jensen Farms Rocky Ford Cantaloupe Listeria Outbreak | About Listeria
- Pomegranate arils from Egypt blamed in hepatitis A outbreak | Food Safety News
- An Outbreak Of Listeriosis Has Been Linked To Cantaloupes
Filtering by Tag: Cantaloupe
The show opens with a little audio surprise and the guys get right into loads of listener feedback on BBQ sauce regions, hot water for cooking, hot air hand dryer design, recalls (and is it ever too late), heating flour, food safety for the immunocompromised, where to go for food safety 101, cooking prime rib, and washing ramen dishes. After listener feedback, the guys address the South Africa Listeria outbreak finally linked to deli meats, food waste and the Australian Listeria outbreak linked to Rockmelon.
- Loopback: Cable-Free Audio Routing
- Farrago: Robust, rapid-fire soundboards
- Podcast - Food Safety Magazine
- "Too Much Pork For Just One Fork" - Southern Culture On The Skids - LIVE - YouTube
- Google Image Result Carolina BBQ sauces
- Why You Shouldn't Use Hot Tap Water When Cooking | POPSUGAR Fitness
- Basic Information about Lead in Drinking Water | Ground Water and Drinking Water | US EPA
- Hot or Cold tap water for boiling Pasta?? - General Discussion - Pasta - Chowhound
- PCB Thermal Design Tips: Fans for Cooling Electronics
- Hand dryer - Google Patents
- Drying Apparatus - Google Patents
- Effect of ultrasonication on algal and bacterial growth in fresh water
- FDA Cancels Bacon Recall After Finding U.S. Population Already Ate It All
- Modeling the public health system response to a terrorist event in the food supply
- Edible Cookie Dough 4 Ways - YouTube
- An assessment of food safety information provision for UK chemotherapy patients to reduce the risk of foodborne infection
- Fight Bac!
- Infosheets on barfblog
- USDA FSIS Appendix A
- What You Need to Know About Mechanically Tenderized Beef - Consumer Reports
- Got Enhanced Meat? USDA Rule May Make It Easier To Tell : Shots - Health News : NPR
- Michael Bazaco on Twitter: "I would recommend against this. Thoughts? @mbbatz @benjaminchapman @bugcounter @renazerthelaser… "
- South Africa traces deadly listeria outbreak to meat product - CNN
- You might have been eating contaminated polony for more than a year
- In his own words: Tiger Brands CEO gets defensive amid listeriosis outrage
- Tiger Brands appoints team to identify root of listeria
- Save The Food
- Waste-Free Kitchen Handbook, Amazon.com: Books
- Food Waste : ReFED | Rethink Food Waste
- Food Product Dating
- Australia rockmelon listeria outbreak echoes U.S. 2011 outbreak
- Rockmelon listeria: Rombola Family Farms named as source of outbreak
The guys start by answering a question from listener Tom (whom Ben met at the Consumer Federation of America National Food Policy conference) and his request for guidance on research areas in food safety. Don’s advice was that Tom should follow his passion and from there pick a university or faculty member. This then turned into a broader discussion about education, with a focus on distance and online learning.
Don then talked about his attendance at ISGP’s Food Safety, Security, and Defense: Focus on Technologies and Innovations conference in Verona, Italy, which operates under the Chatham House Rules (not to be confused with the Cider House Rules). Don really enjoyed the discussions between the scientific experts and policy makers and he enjoyed meeting Lynn Frewer. Don also talked about his recent visit to GOJO with his student (and some times listener Dane Jensen) to discuss Dane’s PhD research.
In the Bug Trivia segment, Ben talked about Clostridium botulinum, the ‘sausage poisoning’ bug, and Ben’s recent Barfblog post on the topic. The guys thought that tin-foiled potatoes caused unnecessarily large concern because of one outbreak, as most botulism cases are linked to ineffective home canning practices. While Ben had trouble pronouncing nitrosamines, he challenged Andreas to find papers by Gibson and Roberts on Clostridium and cured meats. Andreas did not disappoint, finding Factors controlling the growth of Clostridium botulinum types A and B in pasteurized, cured meats parts I, II, III, IV, V, and VI.
The guys then talked about the Egg Rollie, as Aaron "you-SUE-ghee" wanted to know whether the cooked ‘egg rollie’ could be contaminated by raw egg as it rises. Ben wasn’t too concerned and Don pointed out that while there was a risk, the risks of illness from eating raw eggs were rather low.
The conversation then turned to the Listeria and cantaloupes, as FDA was planning to undertake a survey of Listeria monocytogenes in US cantaloupe packing houses. Ben has been organizing industry workshops with Chris Gunter (guest in FST episode 3) and some others. Ben explained what he would do if he was a producer and FDA were about to visit his packing house for sampling. Don agreed with Ben’s strategy and pointed out that baseline information on pathogen prevalence on produce was needed. However, the guys couldn’t understand why the samples were not also going to be tested for Salmonella, which had been involved in more cantaloupe related outbreaks than Listeria. In addition, Don wasn’t convinced that this survey was the best use of public funds. This reminded Don of a USA Today article on sequestration which included a Doug Powell quote, which Don also posted on his Tumblr.
Ben sent a shout out to Ashley Chaifetz, a PhD student studying public policy, who wrote a Barfblog post on Salmonella in dog food (and this follow up post) and how she now longer trusted the dog food manufacturer. Finally the guys sent a big thank you to the folks at SHS Design who updated their FST logo for iTunes.
Today’s guest was Mike Batz, um, Joe Smith, who Skyped in from a hotel room while emptying the mini bar. Ben still hasn’t done his homework from last Season – watching The Wire. And to Mike's disappointment Ben hasn’t even watched The Lego Wire. The discussion then turned to playing with Lego, Ben’s vandalism activities as a teenager, craft paper maze making, Dungeons and Dragons and The Wire characters' D&D alignment.
The guys then got serious about food safety and discussed the Salmonella Typhimurium outbreak that CDC has linked to cantaloupes. At the time of the recording, the FDA hadn’t specifically commented on the potential source, though Chamberlain Farms had begun recalling cantaloupes. The guys thought it was strange that no FDA/CDC update on the situation has been issued for days and the overall lack of communication around this outbreak. However, Don noted that the lawyers are getting their ducks lined up and Bill Marler had already blogged about a lawsuit. Don asked Ben whether there is ever a right time to say nothing in a case like this. Ben didn’t think there was, but suggested that there was a right time to say “we’re uncertain” instead. He recalled the discussion mentioned in FST episode 6 about an outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 associated with the North Carolina State Fair, where the North Carolina Division of Public Health updated the information of what was known on a daily basis. Ben thought that this was better than the five-day cone-of-silence.
Mike was bothered by regulators implicating a whole growing region or commodity rather than naming the implicated farm, especially since the farm had already initiated a recall. It reminded him of what happened to Florida tomato growers a few years ago. Mike pointed out that implicating a whole region does not provide any incentive to an individual farmer to follow GAPs and do the right thing – since a neighbor who doesn’t do the right thing could wipe out all that effort.
In contrast, the Burch Farms recall, which was initiated after Listeria was detected on cantaloupes, but without an outbreak having occurred, did not result in the same level of concern. But Ben noted that the Burch Farms recall nevertheless resulted in questions being raised by buyers and cancellations of contracts, and as such the recall still impacted on the whole industry.
Don noted the fundamental differences between Listeria and Salmonella. He reminded the guys that the risk depends on the dose and that the dose-response relationship differs between the two organisms. Ben also noted the problem of applying a zero tolerance standard for ready-to-eat-foods to these agricultural commodity products, and Don highlighted the need for quantification when testing in addition to simple presence/absence testing.
Ben then explained the differences in the post harvest systems between California, where cantaloupes are not washed, compared to North Carolina, where cantaloupes are regularly washed. He noted that the use of water might provide an opportunity for cross contamination, which Don totally agreed with. The discussion then turned to Ben explaining that cantaloupes are washed because that’s what the industry has always done, though his experience indicates that farmers might be open to re-engineering their processes.
Don then produced a smorgasbord of potential topics for discussion and the guys settled on a 2002 blog post by John Gruber about Bagel Tongs on Fedora Review. In the article Gruber worried about bagels and that the “tong-arms are covered with some sort of moist, brown sediment.” Ben agreed with Gruber and would rather use tissue paper to pick up the bagels, though mainly because he feared contracting Norovirus from the tong handles. Don agreed with Ben that it’s not the crap at the end of the tongs, but the crap you can’t see that’s the problem. He also recalled that some cruise liners have a norovirus risk reduction measure, which involves staff serving passengers at the self-serve buffet on the first three days of the cruise.
Ben then reminisced about his high school days, when he wasn’t vandalizing his neighbors’ backyards but when he was working in a bulk food store. He had to clean and sanitize the scoop on a weekly basis, though he actually did this only when the prunes got really gunky. He never sanitized the handles – got to hold on to something while washing the scoop. Mike thought that the epidemiological evidence, that placed Ben at the epicenter of foodborne illness outbreaks, was building.
The show finished by Don telling the guys about wanting to order some Food Safety Talk promotional refrigerator temperature sensing magnets for inclusion in the MaxFunCon EAST show bags.
By now Mike Joe had sobered up somewhat and was eyeing the Arrogant Bastard that he’d been contemplating and this evolved into a broader discussion of alcohol consumption patterns.
In the after dark the guys talked about a range of “stuff” including Mike’s five-day FAO/WHO meeting bender on foodborne parasites in Rome.
Don and Ben are back in the same time zone and talk a lot about cantaloupe. The episode starts off with a bit of nerdy discussion about Apple products and upgrading to iOS 5. But then the guys talk about food safety, outbreak investigations, social media and messaging. The podcast is available here.
- The muse who Don spoke with.
- Food safety's Weird Al, Carl Winter.
- The band that Ben suggests stringing 6 seconds of multiple songs together for the bump.
- FDA's report of finding one of the three outbreak strains at Jensen Farms.
- Like Bryan Adams, Celine Dion and Alan Thicke - Canada has brought the world notable things, including Listeria in fresh produce.
- Our good friend, who has said that sheep are used as weed control between crops.
- What hydrocooler might look like.
- Listeria dose/response in RTE foods.
- What a cantaloupe encrusted with animal feces might look like.
- The Finnish butter outbreak.
- High fat in chocolate and peanut products has a protective effect on Salmonella.
- Don and Michelle's pathogenic E. coli in leafy greens modelling work.
- A YouTube video of a cantaloupe packing line with the worlds greatest music
- Importance of having chlorine in your wash water when processing leafy greens.
- Absolutely, positively, Listeria-free cantaloupes on sale in Carborro, NC.
- Zach Braff's shining moment, Garden State.
- Edmonton's (which is on the outskirts of Canada) greatest time.
- Don's Skype interview where he was referred to as Canadian.
- Is a consumer really just a consumer?
- Einstein's advice: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler"
- Don on NPR.
- Food safety's small group (IAFP's membership is around 3000).
- Our at least one listener.
- Nerdy app that Ben likes and Don doesn't.
- The competition that swamped Ben and Don with food safety questions from keen high school kids.
- A really nerdy thing Ben participated in high school, and loved it.
- The movie that Ben loved and felt that was the best social marketing for handwashing (that bordered on propaganda).
- The agency that Ben feels does the best job of telling folks what they do.
- Our friend who thinks Ben works at CDC.
Episode 4 of Food Safety Talk. In which Ben and Don can't mesh their schedules, so Don interviews Michael Batz, who turns out to be just as big a food safety nerd as Don or Ben. Like certain other podcasters, Batz insisted on using WiFi rather than a wired Ethernet connection as suggested by the experts. Although he promised to "sit real close" to his wireless base station, the quality of the call degrades toward the end. Don was prepared to drop in a few choice sound effects in case Mike dropped out completely, but in the end everything Mike had to say made it into the recording.
- University of Florida Emerging Pathogens Institute where Mike Batz works.
- Mike used to live in Baltimore, where The Wire was set and shot.
- Mike has degrees in Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Engineering and Public Policy from Carnegie Mellon University, which is in Pittsburg. Loudon Wainwright III has a song about Pittsburg. The movie The Wonderboys is also set in Pittsburg. The trailer is available on you tube. For the record it's only professors in the humanities that get to walk around in their bathrobes and smoke dope.
- Mike does a mean cover of I Wanna Be Sedated by the Ramones. Ask him to show you some time.
- The Ranking the Risks report that forms the basis of the interview.
- A direct link to the full report
- CSPI’s top 10 from 2009, upon which that Women’s Day article was based.
- The Journal of Food Protection where much of the high quality food safety research is published.
- “I hate writing, I love having written.” ― Dorothy Parker
- A different podcast about writing, sometimes.
- Bill Marler, who Don seems to mention every time he does a podcast.
- The all important Scallan papers, that updated the previous paper by Mead et al..
- The case-control study on Toxoplasma gondii mentioned in the interview and a full copy of the entire article
- USDA lowers pork cooking temperatures. There is at least one paper on heat inactivation of toxoplasma, which seems to suggest that the USDA's decision has a minimal effect on risk.
- The case-control study on Campylobacter and the full version
- “I know it when I see it”. I though Batz was a kindred spirt. This seals the deal. Plus the Ramones thing.
- Listeria in cantaloupe which briefly comes up at the end of the podcast.
- The podcaster approved headphones that all food safety talk guest are required to purchase.
- The song about Pittsburgh that Batz was going to bring up, but which he couldn’t remember the exact name of.
Episode 3 of food safety talk. Don is galavanting around Europe, at least 5 hrs ahead of Ben. Instead of trying to match up schedules the guys decide to have a couple of guests on. Dr. Chris Gunter, vegetable production specialist at N.C. State joins Ben to talk cantaloupe, GAPs and share anecdotes from producers about their concerns around food safety.
- What Don was emailing Ben about from Europe.
- Chris Gunter on Twitter and the NC State Horticulture Dept website.
- Chris' previous institutions Purdue and University of Wisconsin, Madison.
- North Carolina Fresh Produce Safety.
- CDC page on Listeria-in-melons outbreak.
- A list of cantaloupe-linked outbreaks that Ben considers to be a lot.
- Produce association that has someone who is looking for outbreak information on behalf of members.
- Reggie Brown, Florida Tomato Commission.
- Risk assessment of Listeria in RTE foods.
- CDC's explanation of underreporting foodborne illness.
- Markets where buyers typically don't require verification of GAPs.
- The produce meeting that Chris and Ben were at in Florida.
- Sweetpotatoes, a lot of which are grown in North Carolina.
- TGAPs, a law for many tomato producers in Florida.
- One of the industries that Ben worked with in Ontario.
- People that say food safety isn't competitive (ex 1, ex 2).
- A couple of the formulaic checklists that are out there (ex1, ex 2).
- Be the ball (or the bug).